[pandorabots-general] Form before function

Tue May 30 16:01:30 PDT 2006

R. B. (What does R. B. stand for?)  How do you prefer to be
addressed?

Why don't you sign up back at the Ai-Foundation forum to work on
the revamping of the Alice AAA data set to do just what you are
intending?

Let's talk about what you have in mind for your rewrite, discuss
common tactics and so on.  I too have started reworking the set
to make it easier to create different bot personalities, but it
could make sense to do it once, do it well and do it for all.
Also many hands make light work.

Of all the things on the panel, that is one near the top of my
list in terms of practical importance.

Also, by how you are describing the data you are working with...
are you sure you are using the AAA data set and not Alice Silver
Edition?

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:pandorabots-general-bounces+brian_hoecht=msn.com at list.pan
dorabots.com] On Behalf Of R. B. Chandler
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:41 PM
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Subject: RE: [pandorabots-general] Form before function

That is what I thought, but I thought I'd make sure before I jump
in and 
completely redo the AAA set for my bot; stripping it down to
English only, 
making it easier to do a full translation of the set which can be
added 
later, and then expanding and reorganizing it to suit my needs.

The problem with the AAA set as it is now is that it is built
more for the 
Alice bot at alicebot.org and I would have prefered something a
little more 
generic which would have been a little more adaptable for my
needs as the 
Alice personality is built-in to the current set and I need a
completely 
different personality.

>
>What Brian said is basically correct.  The file names are not
important to
>the AIML interpreter for matching purposes.  The file names
exist solely
>for the convenience of the botmaster.   Once you load your AIML
into
>memory, everything is stored in a data structure called the
Graphmaster
>and the file names are discared (except in some interpreters,
the file
>name information is saved in case the program is able to write
as well as
>read AIML files).
>
>The project underway to reorganize the ALICE brain into more
logical files
>may be found at http://www.alicebot.org/aiml/aaa
>
>Contractions are usually expanded by the pre-processor
"normalization"
>process that would normally convert "you're" into "YOU ARE", but
again
>this depends on the interpreter and the botmaster, so it may be
the case
>that the pattern "YOU RE *" could turn up.  I can imagine a
situation
>where the client typed YOU`RE or YOU at RE and these might be
converted to
>YOU RE by the normalizer.
>
>
> > Dr. Wallace and I spoke on this recently.
> >
> > The short answer to your question is that how you store the
files
> > makes no difference.  All AIML categories are loaded into
memory
> > by the Interpreter and the pattern matching does NOT use the
> > order of the category listing in the files.
> >
> > The Alice files are ordered this way because they were
getting
> > large and difficult to trace through.  A utility was run to
order
> > them, yet if the goal was to order the categories as the
> > Interpreters should run through them and find them, then a
couple
> > of mistakes were made (i.e.  categories with the wildcard *
in
> > their pattern come before the textual patterns and categories
> > with the wildcard _ come after - Interpreters operate the
other
> > way around).
> >
> > I haven't had this confirmed, but I also believe that
> > contractions in patterns (or the <that> tag) need not have
the '
> > removed as you show below... the Interpreters will strip them
out
> > automatically allowing you to have your textual patterns look
> > good.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> >
pandorabots-general-bounces+brian_hoecht=msn.com at list.pandorabots
> > com
> >
[mailto:pandorabots-general-bounces+brian_hoecht=msn.com at list.pan
> > dorabots.com] On Behalf Of R. B. Chandler
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:11 AM
> > To: pandorabots-general at list.pandorabots.com
> > Subject: [pandorabots-general] Form before function
> >
> > I have a general question about the form in which AIML is
done.
> > Generally
> > most files start with A and work their way down to Z. I know
the
> > reasoning
> > behind this but if it were random would it make any
difference to
> > the
> > computer? I only ask because I would like to group reductions
for
> > each
> > instance of a single word into one group where it is easier
to
> > use the
> > <srai> command as in:
> > *
> > A *
> > AN *
> > I AM *
> > I M *
> > YOUR *
> > YOU ARE *
> > YOU RE *
> > Where "*" equals a given word and the reply is the same for
all,
> > most of, or
> > several groups in the same categories. It would just make it
> > easier as I
> > make my way through the alphabet instead of having to jump
all
> > over.
> >
> >
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